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BBC interviews Farrakhan

[Editor�s note: The following text is taken from interviews conducted July 31, 2001 with various branches of the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC), the United Kingdom's largest media group, with Minister Farrakhan. The interviewers included Claire English of BBC Radio 4, Andrew Hoskin, and Lisa Dusett, BBC World Service News Hour, and  focused on a judge's ruling to lift the ban on travel to the UK by Minister Farrakhan. For presentation here, the questions are intertwined for the purpose of continuity.]

Andrew Hoskin: What is your reaction to the decision by the British courts to allow you to come to England?

Minister Louis Farrakhan: Certainly, as a Muslim, in all of our affairs we rely completely on Allah (God). I am so pleased that Allah (God) has touched the heart of the High Court judge Michael Turner and allowed him to render a decision that I believe is a just decision, and 15 years overdue. My thanks to him. My thanks to the lawyers who argued the case for us. And a special thanks to my U.K. representative, Minister Hilary Muhammad, and all of the supporters who paid the lawyers and backed and supported this cause.

Claire English: Why do you think this is a just ruling?

Min. Farrakhan: Well, first, I really don�t think that there is any evidence in the 47 years of my ministry in the United States of America and in other parts of the world that any violence follows my speeches or follows my teachings. I don�t have a history of violence and never have broken the law in the United States. Even when I visited Canada and Australia and Bermuda and they told me of their laws which forbid language that could be considered divisive or hateful, I went into those countries and delivered my speeches. And there was no outcry from the government that I said or did anything to harm the public good.

Mr. Hoskin: When do you intend to visit Britain?

Min. Farrakhan: I cannot say. I don�t know that I�m allowed to come just because the High Court has ruled in our favor. I understand, and I could be wrong, that he will issue his reasons for his judgement on or around the first of October. Then, of course, it will be up to the Home Secretary to either accept [the judge�s] reasoning as in accord with British law and human rights laws and not appeal it. And, I guess, if there is no appeal by the Home Secretary, then we can plan for my visit to the United Kingdom.

Lisa Dusett: Mr. Farrakhan, why are you so keen to come to Britain?

Min. Farrakhan: Well, I have many, many hundreds, maybe thousands, of followers in the United Kingdom. And there are over a million Muslims in the United Kingdom and you have many, many Black people there from Africa, from the Caribbean, and from other parts of the world, and Whites, that would love to hear my message.

Mr. Hoskin: The Home Secretary is very upset about this ruling, and he opposed it, as indeed previous home secretaries.

Min. Farrakhan: I�m sorry that he feels that way, because, in truth, I have been a minister for 47 years and there is no record of violence that follows me in the 47 years of my ministry. I have never been arrested for being an unlawful person. And, you know, if I am this hateful man that is such a racist and an anti-Semite, why is there no record whatsoever of any follower of mine being arrested for a hate crime or even charged with a hate crime? With a sterling record like that, what would be the Home Secretary�s objection to my coming? It would seem that this is more political than it is based in law and in fact and in moral justice.

Ms. Dusett: But some Jewish leaders have still expressed concern. They say you�ve never expressed regrets for the anti-Semitic remarks�they regard them as anti-Semitic remarks�in the past.

Min. Farrakhan: You know, right now I�m involved in a dialogue with several major Jewish rabbis, and this dialogue is so important because it is a beginning step in the process of reconciliation. I would hope that, if I�m blessed to be able to come to the United Kingdom, that part of my time there would be spent speaking to some of these Jewish deputies and members of the Jewish community, that a dialogue can begin so that we can take misconceptions and put them behind us. Look at what I really did say, and if an apology is necessary, I�m not against an apology if what I said is untrue. And a dialogue would show that. I would be more than willing to express regrets for what I said, but how can I express regret for something that I said that I believe is true if no one will speak with me?

Mr. Hoskin: But you are on record as wanting Black people and white people to live in separate communities?

Min. Farrakhan: Yes, if we cannot get along in peace. Every day in the United Kingdom, there are divorce decrees granted when two people are not able to reconcile their differences to live together in peace. So, the object is peace, not hate. And if two people, the Black and the White in America, are unable to get along in peace, then, would not it be wise for us to separate? Great Britain was lord and master of India, and India was one India when, of course, the British ruled there. After the British left, then Pakistan and Bangladesh became separated from India based on religious differences. Hopefully, if we can reconcile our differences with justice, there is no need to be separated.

Ms. Dusett: If, indeed, you do come to Britain, you will be coming at a time when there has been tension between the largely Asian community and the White community. Will you be sensitive to that?

Min. Farrakhan: Of course I will be sensitive to tensions. But, you know as well as I that if there are tensions between the Asian and the White community, then, there�s something there that needs to be addressed not by Louis Farrakhan, but by the Asians and the Whites who are citizens of the United Kingdom. I don�t come to interfere in your internal matters, but, to speak to the principle of truth and justice.

Mr. Hoskin: You are on the record, Mr. Farrakhan, as saying some pretty tough things about Jewish people and Judaism. I have an old comment, I believe, of yours where you describe Judaism as a gutter religion �

Min. Farrakhan: See, here again �

Mr. Hoskin: � and Jews as bloodsuckers?

Min. Farrakhan: Yes. You know, if you and I were sitting across the table and I was able to explain fully in context what I said, this would not even be an issue. That is an old falsehood that has followed me around for the last 16 or 17 years. I am a Muslim. I believe in all the prophets that God sent to the Children of Israel. That is a tenet of my faith. I believe in the Torah. I believe in the Injil. I believe in every scripture that God revealed to any prophet among any people to whom these prophets were sent. So, I could never accuse a religion that comes from a revealed Word of God as being dirty. That is the cleanest Word, because it comes from God and it comes to clean up that which is in the gutter and lift it to great heights. So, that�s not the religion of Judaism that�s dirty. That�s not the religion of Islam that�s dirty, or the religion of Christianity that�s dirty. It is our practice that is contrary to what we speak as tenet of our faith that is unclean and giving religion a dirty name.

Mr. Hoskin: You have never described Jews as bloodsuckers?

Min. Farrakhan: Yes, but not all Jews. I said there were some Jews, yes, some Arabs, some Blacks, some Whites that are in our community taking money from our community, but not giving anything back. And when I said Jews and Arabs and Blacks and Whites and Asians are doing this, this is as true [even] as you and I are speaking. But when it came on television, they didn�t say what I said about the others who take from our community and give nothing back. They isolated the Jews to make it feed the controversy. And so, that is regrettable, but I did say that and, unfortunately, they took those words out of context and used it in a very negative way. I would hope, sir, that the Home Secretary would view the Million Family March, where 1.6 million people came to the Mall in Washington [D.C.], and the Million Man March. At the Million Family March, there were Black, Brown, Red, Yellow and White. There were Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus. It was a family day to try to unite the human family. There was nothing divisive about that. And there was not one iota of disturbance. Yet, the Million Man March, nearly two million Black men showed up. Not one act of violence. So, please, look at my record. Judge me not on the propaganda of those who dislike me for my boldness and the bold truths that I assert, but allow me the privilege to come to the United Kingdom and allow the British people, who are highly intelligent, to listen to me and judge me for themselves. I think that is nothing but fair. And that�s why I thank the judge and I thank all of those who fought to get this unjust exclusion reversed.

Ms. English: You could still yet be denied access. That is a real possibility. Obviously, the Home Secretary will consider what happens next. How confident are you that you could be here as soon as the autumn?

Min. Farrakhan: Well, I can say I do not know what the Home Secretary will do. I hope that when Judge Michael Turner lays out his reasons for lifting the ban, that the Home Secretary will see the wisdom of his judgement and not appeal the ruling and then give the United Kingdom a chance to see me and hear me and judge me for themselves.

Ms. English: And what will be your message to your followers and to Britain, if you do get to come into the country?

Min. Farrakhan: If I am so blessed to be able to come speak to our community some time in the autumn, the theme that I have been talking about all over the world is the theme that is much needed in the United Kingdom. It is the theme of atonement, reconciliation and responsibility. These three words form the cornerstone of my venture in the United Kingdom.

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