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BBC interviews Farrakhan
[Editor�s note: The following text
is taken from interviews conducted July 31, 2001 with various
branches of the British Broadcasting Corp. (BBC), the United
Kingdom's largest media group, with Minister Farrakhan. The
interviewers included Claire English of BBC Radio 4, Andrew Hoskin,
and Lisa Dusett, BBC World Service News Hour, and focused on a
judge's ruling to lift the ban on travel to the UK by Minister
Farrakhan. For presentation here, the questions are intertwined for
the purpose of continuity.]
Andrew Hoskin: What is your reaction to the decision by the
British courts to allow you to come to England?
Minister Louis Farrakhan: Certainly, as
a Muslim, in all of our affairs we rely completely on Allah (God). I
am so pleased that Allah (God) has touched the heart of the High
Court judge Michael Turner and allowed him to render a decision that
I believe is a just decision, and 15 years overdue. My thanks to
him. My thanks to the lawyers who argued the case for us. And a
special thanks to my U.K. representative, Minister Hilary Muhammad,
and all of the supporters who paid the lawyers and backed and
supported this cause.
Claire English: Why do you think this is a just ruling?
Min. Farrakhan: Well, first, I really
don�t think that there is any evidence in the 47 years of my
ministry in the United States of America and in other parts of the
world that any violence follows my speeches or follows my teachings.
I don�t have a history of violence and never have broken the law in
the United States. Even when I visited Canada and Australia and
Bermuda and they told me of their laws which forbid language that
could be considered divisive or hateful, I went into those countries
and delivered my speeches. And there was no outcry from the
government that I said or did anything to harm the public good.
Mr. Hoskin: When do you intend to visit Britain?
Min. Farrakhan: I cannot say. I don�t
know that I�m allowed to come just because the High Court has ruled
in our favor. I understand, and I could be wrong, that he will issue
his reasons for his judgement on or around the first of October.
Then, of course, it will be up to the Home Secretary to either
accept [the judge�s] reasoning as in accord with British law and
human rights laws and not appeal it. And, I guess, if there is no
appeal by the Home Secretary, then we can plan for my visit to the
United Kingdom.
Lisa Dusett: Mr. Farrakhan, why are you so keen to come to
Britain?
Min. Farrakhan: Well, I have many, many
hundreds, maybe thousands, of followers in the United Kingdom. And
there are over a million Muslims in the United Kingdom and you have
many, many Black people there from Africa, from the Caribbean, and
from other parts of the world, and Whites, that would love to hear
my message.
Mr. Hoskin: The Home Secretary is very upset about this ruling,
and he opposed it, as indeed previous home secretaries.
Min. Farrakhan: I�m sorry that he feels
that way, because, in truth, I have been a minister for 47 years and
there is no record of violence that follows me in the 47 years of my
ministry. I have never been arrested for being an unlawful person.
And, you know, if I am this hateful man that is such a racist and an
anti-Semite, why is there no record whatsoever of any follower of
mine being arrested for a hate crime or even charged with a hate
crime? With a sterling record like that, what would be the Home
Secretary�s objection to my coming? It would seem that this is more
political than it is based in law and in fact and in moral justice.
Ms. Dusett: But some Jewish leaders have still expressed concern.
They say you�ve never expressed regrets for the anti-Semitic
remarks�they regard them as anti-Semitic remarks�in the past.
Min. Farrakhan: You know, right now I�m
involved in a dialogue with several major Jewish rabbis, and this
dialogue is so important because it is a beginning step in the
process of reconciliation. I would hope that, if I�m blessed to be
able to come to the United Kingdom, that part of my time there would
be spent speaking to some of these Jewish deputies and members of
the Jewish community, that a dialogue can begin so that we can take
misconceptions and put them behind us. Look at what I really did
say, and if an apology is necessary, I�m not against an apology if
what I said is untrue. And a dialogue would show that. I would be
more than willing to express regrets for what I said, but how can I
express regret for something that I said that I believe is true if
no one will speak with me?
Mr. Hoskin: But you are on record as wanting Black people and
white people to live in separate communities?
Min. Farrakhan: Yes, if we cannot get
along in peace. Every day in the United Kingdom, there are divorce
decrees granted when two people are not able to reconcile their
differences to live together in peace. So, the object is peace, not
hate. And if two people, the Black and the White in America, are
unable to get along in peace, then, would not it be wise for us to
separate? Great Britain was lord and master of India, and India was
one India when, of course, the British ruled there. After the
British left, then Pakistan and Bangladesh became separated from
India based on religious differences. Hopefully, if we can reconcile
our differences with justice, there is no need to be separated.
Ms. Dusett: If, indeed, you do come to Britain, you will be
coming at a time when there has been tension between the largely
Asian community and the White community. Will you be sensitive to
that?
Min. Farrakhan: Of course I will be
sensitive to tensions. But, you know as well as I that if there are
tensions between the Asian and the White community, then, there�s
something there that needs to be addressed not by Louis Farrakhan,
but by the Asians and the Whites who are citizens of the United
Kingdom. I don�t come to interfere in your internal matters, but, to
speak to the principle of truth and justice.
Mr. Hoskin: You are on the record, Mr. Farrakhan, as saying some
pretty tough things about Jewish people and Judaism. I have an old
comment, I believe, of yours where you describe Judaism as a gutter
religion �
Min. Farrakhan: See, here again �
Mr. Hoskin: � and Jews as bloodsuckers?
Min. Farrakhan: Yes. You know, if you
and I were sitting across the table and I was able to explain fully
in context what I said, this would not even be an issue. That is an
old falsehood that has followed me around for the last 16 or 17
years. I am a Muslim. I believe in all the prophets that God sent to
the Children of Israel. That is a tenet of my faith. I believe in
the Torah. I believe in the Injil. I believe in every scripture that
God revealed to any prophet among any people to whom these prophets
were sent. So, I could never accuse a religion that comes from a
revealed Word of God as being dirty. That is the cleanest Word,
because it comes from God and it comes to clean up that which is in
the gutter and lift it to great heights. So, that�s not the religion
of Judaism that�s dirty. That�s not the religion of Islam that�s
dirty, or the religion of Christianity that�s dirty. It is our
practice that is contrary to what we speak as tenet of our faith
that is unclean and giving religion a dirty name.
Mr. Hoskin: You have never described Jews as bloodsuckers?
Min. Farrakhan: Yes, but not all Jews.
I said there were some Jews, yes, some Arabs, some Blacks, some
Whites that are in our community taking money from our community,
but not giving anything back. And when I said Jews and Arabs and
Blacks and Whites and Asians are doing this, this is as true [even]
as you and I are speaking. But when it came on television, they
didn�t say what I said about the others who take from our community
and give nothing back. They isolated the Jews to make it feed the
controversy. And so, that is regrettable, but I did say that and,
unfortunately, they took those words out of context and used it in a
very negative way. I would hope, sir, that the Home Secretary would
view the Million Family March, where 1.6 million people came to the
Mall in Washington [D.C.], and the Million Man March. At the Million
Family March, there were Black, Brown, Red, Yellow and White. There
were Christians, Jews, Muslims, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus. It was
a family day to try to unite the human family. There was nothing
divisive about that. And there was not one iota of disturbance. Yet,
the Million Man March, nearly two million Black men showed up. Not
one act of violence. So, please, look at my record. Judge me not on
the propaganda of those who dislike me for my boldness and the bold
truths that I assert, but allow me the privilege to come to the
United Kingdom and allow the British people, who are highly
intelligent, to listen to me and judge me for themselves. I think
that is nothing but fair. And that�s why I thank the judge and I
thank all of those who fought to get this unjust exclusion reversed.
Ms. English: You could still yet be denied access. That is a real
possibility. Obviously, the Home Secretary will consider what
happens next. How confident are you that you could be here as soon
as the autumn?
Min. Farrakhan: Well, I can say I do
not know what the Home Secretary will do. I hope that when Judge
Michael Turner lays out his reasons for lifting the ban, that the
Home Secretary will see the wisdom of his judgement and not appeal
the ruling and then give the United Kingdom a chance to see me and
hear me and judge me for themselves.
Ms. English: And what will be your message to your followers and
to Britain, if you do get to come into the country?
Min. Farrakhan: If I am so blessed to
be able to come speak to our community some time in the autumn, the
theme that I have been talking about all over the world is the theme
that is much needed in the United Kingdom. It is the theme of
atonement, reconciliation and responsibility. These three words form
the cornerstone of my venture in the United Kingdom.
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